I have even seen this written in books about different dog breeds. Are they all wrong? Or is it just not the correct term?What's the deal with,"There is no such thing as a toy/minature dog!" Is this true?
This is a great question because I think alot of people are confused about what are the correct terms.
Miniature and toy both exist, like you said there are Toy Poodles and Mini Pinchers. However, it is words like "Micro" and "teapcup" that are wrong. Labels such as these are usually made up by back yard breeders (BYBs - alot of people talk about them here) and puppy mills to make pups more appealing to people who arent aware of the correct "names". The problem with BYB and puppy mills is that the pups are poor quality and often have serious health problems. Especially when they come out of puppy mills as most mills breed runts with runts to make even smaller and more unhealthy dogs. If you'd like to know more about puppy mills, BYB and the correct terms then check out these websites:
http://www.stoppuppymills.org
http://www.www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affe鈥?/a>
http://www.nopuppymills.com
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/puppymil.h鈥?/a>
http://www.home.comcast.net/~NoPuppyMill鈥?/a>
http://www.almosthomerescue.org/whatisby鈥?/a>
No breed comes in 'teacup', sorry, not even poodles. If you go to the Poodle Club of America website, they are quite emphatic about this.
Teacup is term used by back yard greeders to try to make the puppy seem to be more valuable. They are just liars. Anyone who has to use a marketing term to sell their puppies obviously doesn't have puppies that are good enough to appeal to people without a 'hook'. Ohhhh... I feel the thumbs down already! LOL!
If the breed legitimately comes in a Toy variety, it will be listed on the American Kennel Club website (such as Toy, Miniature and Standard Poodles, Miniature, Standard and Giant Schnauzers, and so on). If they come in different sizes, each size is listed as a different breed and shown in different classes. You will notice there is no class for Teacup ANYTHING!!!!!
Another popular BYB scam is Imperial Shih Tzus... again, if you go to the Shih Tzu Club of America website, they are adamant that only unethical breeders use the terms Imperial or Teacup.What's the deal with,"There is no such thing as a toy/minature dog!" Is this true?
Miniature Pinscher are NOT toy versions of the Doberman Pinscher. They are not in the least bit related. The Doberman was created long after the Miniature Pinscher was produced and the Min Pin was not utilized in the creation of the Doberman - they are not even similar in breed type. They have the common in many breed black/tan pattern genetics but so do Dachshunds and Gordon Setters and Chihuahuas - doesn't mean they are related or smaller versions of a breed. There are toy breeds - they to a great extent just their own breeds and not 'toy versions' of any other breed. There are those few that are miniature versions such as the Poodles and Schnauzers but I think you either misread or misinterpreted what was stated. There is no such thing as a miniature or toy Doberman Pinscher, period. Pinscher is a part of a name and it means 'terrier' - Affenpinschers are not kin to Dobermans either but they too have the 'pinscher' as a part of their name.
Well, I have a chihuahua and I've bought different types of magazines about small dogs. Now the term "teacup" or "miniature" dog is only a form of SALES TALK. They say this so people would be more attracted to the dog and so they would buy the dog. This is really bad because the dog might actually be disabled or something's wrong with the dog's bones etc. (for example: When humans are born and they don't grow tall *small people*, it's basically the same thing). I was told not to buy from breeders who sells "teacup" or "mini" dogs.What's the deal with,"There is no such thing as a toy/minature dog!" Is this true?
i have never heard that there were no such thing as toy or miniature dogs, since i have a miniature schnauzer. i think the debate is when stupid breeders advertise "teacup" when there is no such thing. i have seen some advertise "toy" for the mini schnauzer, there is no such thing as a toy schnauzer. there are mini poodles and toy poodles, no "teacup" poodles. miniature pinchers are not dobermans. i think some are just misinformed about the breeds.
i agree with all the other posts but i wanted to add that when a pet store markets "teacup" puppies, it is just a marketing ploy to charge extra money. they think that people actually believe that there is such a thing as "teacup". i mean how are they supposed to know how big a puppy is going to get. my cousins dog had a litter of five and the smallest as a puppy ended up being the largest as an adult. so go figure...
mini daschunds are smaller then plain daschunds I dunno about the other breeds just daschunds
Yes they exist. I think where people miscommunicate is whether or not they're actually a breed.
For example Mini Aussies aren't an actual size catagory accepted by registries. But they exist, as well as with people trying to market off Teacup Poodles and Teacup chihuahaus
Doberman and MinPins are not the same breed. Miniature Pinschers are much older and they probably share a common ancestor the German Pinscher. Poodles do come in 3 sizes, Standard, Miniature and Toy and are all the same dog but for size. Same with Dachshunds, they are Mini and Standard sizes. BUT there are no toy yorkies, teacup chihuahuas or toy minpins. Schnazuers come in 3 sizes, Beagles in 2, American Eskimos in 3 etc so yes some breeds do have toy and mini versions but dobes and minpins are not the same dog. Neither are Sheltland Sheepdogs mini collies. You have to know the breeds to know which is which. No breed comes in teacup, teacup is a marketing term for a runt so a teacup poodle is an abnormal runt of the litter and teacup is never used by true dog people.
There are toy breeds... a min pin, chihuahua, Yorke, toy poodle etc. are all classified as toy breeds. The AKC only recognizes smooth coat and long coat chihuahuas...not teacup. So to answer your question there is really no teacup of any breed but toy breeds are real. When people say teacup it's just smaller the normal.
Yes they exist teacups dont exist I think they may have gotten confused with that
There are such things as toy or miniature breeds. However, there is no such thing as a "teacup" anything. This is a term that backyard breeders give to runts; they know that most people are easily influenced, so if they make believe the runts are rare and special, as opposed to unhealthy and more likely to die, they can get money for dogs they wouldn't be able to sell otherwise.
Miniature pinschers, as a breed, are actually *older* than Dobermans. They're just "miniature pinschers" -- no reference to Doberman, regardless of what most people who haven't read much about these two breeds think. "Miniature" here just refers to that they're smaller than the next-largest size of pinscher. . . "pinscher" simply referring to what they do when they catch something.
Some breeds are miniaturized versions of bigger dogs, just not ALL.
yes ,they are real but people just keep saying they are or they are not
Some breeds have miniature versions -- such as the Miniature Bull Terrier, which is simply a smaller version of the Standard Bull Terrier, but is actually a recognized breed. The Miniature Poodle is another example.
However, there is no such thing as a "teacup" anything. The "teacup" label is simply applied to poorly bred, undersized dogs produced by irresponsible people looking to make a buck.
You can tell which breeds are legitimately "miniature" by looking up the breed standard on the AKC website. All legit, recognized "minis", which are actually a breed, are listed as AKC recognized breeds.
Actually, min pins are not mini dobies. They are a breed all their own.
And Poodles go; Standard, Minature, Toy. So yeah, I guess toys and minatures are different.
Google it. :D
Some breeds DO have toys and miniatures, however, a trend in puppy mill breeders is to call already small dogs (like Chihuahuas, Yorkies, etc.) "toy" or "mini" (or micro, teacup, imperial, princess, etc) to suggest they are smaller than "normal" ones. It really just means they are selling runts that are sickly and deformed, but people are gullible, and they'll buy anything.
And to clarify, the Doberman is NOT related to the Min Pin- they are two entirely different breeds, the Min Pin is NOT a miniature Dobie. Nor are they related to the German Pinschers or Manchester Terriers- in spite of them all looking very similar, they are distinct, unrelated breeds.
Likewise, an Italian Greyhound is NOT a miniature Greyhound.
Here are some breeds that DO have AKC accepted size classes:
Poodle: Standard, Miniature, Toy
Schnauzer: Giant, Standard, Miniature
American Eskimo: Standard, Miniature, Toy
Dachshund: Standard, Miniature
Bull Terrier: Standard, Miniature
NO TOY BREED whatsoever has a "smaller" size. Anything in AKC's Toy Group is either the smallest size of a breed, or the ONLY size of a breed.
On this site, the 'there's no such thing' generally just applies to people referring to Toy breeds as being even smaller (like Teacup) or some of the awful attempts to downsize large breeds like Huskies and Aussies- mostly by crossbreeding runts with other breeds of dog to shrink them down beneath the accepted AKC standards.
toy dog are a urban work people say it couse its more commen its wrong but it can be used like pitbull instead of calling him american st...... they call him pitbull.
yep, one is smaller than the other one. there is also a teacup
Yes there are toys and minitures, they are not the same and the classification also depends on what association or kennel club you are having them classified with. by the way the poodle breed is the only breed that has a "tea cup" classification ...... just a bit of info you might be interested in.
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